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    Episode 15 · March 26, 2026 · 50m listen · 4,560 words · ~23 min read

    Early Design Decisions that Shape Medical Device Success with Chris Danek, CEO of Bessel | Ep. 63 - Full Transcript | The Med Device Cyber Podcast

    Read the complete, searchable transcript of Episode 15 of The Med Device Cyber Podcast - expert conversations on medical device cybersecurity, FDA premarket and postmarket guidance, SBOM management, threat modeling, and penetration testing.

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    Episode summary

    This episode of the Med Device Cyber Podcast, hosted by Christian Espinosa and Trevor Slattery of Blue Goat Cyber, features guest Chris Danek, the Founder and CEO of Bessel. The discussion centers on the critical need for medical device startups to integrate cybersecurity into their product development process from the very beginning, rather than treating it as a late-stage compliance checkbox. Chris Danek, whose company specializes in helping medtech startups commercialize their innovations, frames the conversation around the concept of creating products with "breakthrough impact." The hosts and guest argue that achieving this impact in today's environment is impossible without a robust and proactive cybersecurity strategy, as neglecting it can lead to devastating financial and product-related consequences. The core argument made throughout the episode is the reframing of medical device cybersecurity from a simple data protection issue to a fundamental component of patient safety. Christian Espinosa vividly illustrates this by describing worst-case scenarios, such as a hacked surgical robot causing paralysis or a compromised defibrillator delivering fatal shocks. This leads to a discussion of several key misconceptions prevalent in the industry. A major point of contention is the false assumption that software developers are inherently cybersecurity experts. Espinosa provocatively states that, in his experience, only about one in a hundred software developers truly understand cybersecurity, emphasizing that the skillset required to build software is fundamentally different from the adversarial mindset needed to secure it. This mistake often results in cybersecurity being pushed to the end of the development cycle, a practice the speakers deem a potential "product killer." To avoid these pitfalls, the experts advocate for a comprehensive, lifecycle-based approach to security. Trevor Slattery highlights the immense costs of late-stage testing, recounting instances where thousands of vulnerabilities were discovered just months before a planned regulatory submission, causing delays and cost overruns exceeding half a million dollars. The solution, they propose, is to start with threat modeling at the conceptual stage to understand what could go wrong and how an attacker might compromise the device. This informs early architectural decisions, ensures security requirements are baked into the design, and guides the selection of secure hardware and software components. The conversation stresses that this proactive stance is not just about appeasing regulators like the FDA, but about de-risking the entire business venture, streamlining development, and ultimately delivering a safer and more effective device to market for the benefit of patients.

    Key takeaways from this episode

    • In the context of medical devices, the primary driver for cybersecurity is patient safety, not just data protection. A compromised device can lead to direct physical harm.
    • A common and dangerous misconception is that software developers are cybersecurity experts. Building software and securing it are two distinct skill sets that require different mindsets.
    • Delaying cybersecurity testing until the end of the development lifecycle is a costly mistake that can uncover thousands of vulnerabilities, forcing expensive redesigns and jeopardizing launch timelines.
    • Cybersecurity must be integrated throughout the entire product lifecycle, from initial concept and requirements gathering through to post-market surveillance and device disposal.
    • Early design choices, such as the selection of third-party software components or microcontrollers, have significant downstream security implications and should be vetted carefully.
    • Startups should conduct threat modeling at the earliest stages of development to understand potential attack vectors and build in appropriate security controls from the ground up.
    • Regulatory bodies like the FDA have specific cybersecurity expectations that may differ from traditional IT security. Understanding these requirements is crucial for a successful submission.
    • Engaging with cybersecurity experts for even a brief consultation early in the process can save a company hundreds of thousands of dollars in cost overruns and delays.

    Full episode transcript

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    Startup company sometimes can run past a milestone in a funding capacity. The runway of their company that could be make or break for the company itself. They like to say, oh, cyber security is just about data protection with medical device. But the primary driver is patient safety because if you think about it and you can hack into a surgical robot that's performing surgery on somebody's spine, you can paralyze that that person. There's this misconception that software developers understand cyber security. They will all tell you they are experts in cyber security, but the reality is from my experience, I would say 1 out of 100 actually know about cyber security. Christian, before you go forward on that, I'm just going to say, well that's provocative and maybe to some people, not me, but to some people that's inflammatory. I think there's a good reason why many software engineers therefore then feel that they they have some level of expertise. We'll start testing three months out from submissions when the first time someone's touched their code and we come back with 3500 vulnerabilities on day one. And we say, well, you know, this is this is a conversation we need to have. Yeah, I can save you like $500,000 in cost overruns and delays and everything else from a 10-minute conversation, right? Christian: Back to another episode of the Med device Cyber podcast. Today we're talking about how to build medical devices for impact. And we have Chris Danek here a guest of ours, from Bessel and we've also got our co-host Trevor as usual. And then myself. I'm coming from the beautiful Tempe, Arizona where it's like 85 degrees out today. I think Trevor is coming from the foggy San Francisco where he assisted a movie to, for I don't know why, but you know, he likes to the fog and the cold and rain. And then where are you coming from, Chris? You're also in California, right? Chris: I'm in San Carlos, California, really, you could think Silicon Valley. it's between the San Francisco Airport and Palo Alto, and I would say that we're our weather is typically pretty nice. Christian: Yeah, even though you're close to San Francisco, the weather is nicer there, isn't it? Chris: Yes, that's for sure. Christian: Why didn't you move to that area, Trevor? Why San Francisco? Why why not Santa Clara or anywhere like closer to Silicon Valley? Trevor: Well, Santa Clara, I don't like San Jose. Something about it. It just feels like this expanse, and San Francisco's nice because everything is in 49 square miles, and so it's so easy to get from anywhere to anywhere. Chris: Yeah, and I I'm down with Christian. I think that the niners come from the the gold rush. But I didn't I didn't make that connection before to Denver Airport is is a larger area than than San Francisco. It's pretty interesting, Trevor. Chris: Hey, Christian, thanks for inviting me on this podcast. I've been watching what Blue Goat's been doing for the past few years, and I think you're filling a real gap in an understanding, awareness, and actually execution on cyber security, which is more and more important. And, I'm interested to talk, too, about the common challenges outside of cyber security that startups in our field are facing. So thanks for the invitation. Christian: Yeah, well thanks for joining us. I know we, uh, ran into each other at JP Morgan not too long ago. And we're talking about the fog. I think what one of the things you help uh, companies do is remove some of that fog on their journey to commercialization, and would that be a good way to kind of kick off what you do and maybe describe a little bit about the companies you work with and everything? Chris: Yeah, I like that. I like that metaphor and and trying to bring clarity in strategy as you you've mentioned, and and how we execute against that and how we can actually fuel the tank with fundraising. Those are the things we do, but it it starts with the the concept of breakthrough impact. And to me breakthrough is an innovation in our arena of of of health care that will sustain and scale. Without that it doesn't have the ability to impact millions of patients and thousands of caregivers and clinicians. So that's what we're all we're all striving for in this industry really is to create breakthroughs that that scale impact. And I would say that, you know, the the challenges remain the same but it's it's harder than ever to address the significant questions and concerns or risks that startups have to to be able to answer the questions that investors have. You know, let's say that it it used to be the case that you could talk about your commercialization plan later in the company life cycle, because first we we know there's a demonstrated clinical need, we know the market is is big enough and we we think we have a line of sight on certain areas. And if we show technical proof of concept, clinical proof of concept, then maybe during the Series A round, we'll work harder on the commercialization plan and make it make it specific and concrete. This idea of of proxy or relying on the experience of the team and the judgment of others around, it it breaks down because now startups have to answer, they have to have a good a good path to answering all of the questions that investors will have, even from the earliest stage, that relates to commercialization. On the technical side, um, if we, if we dial back from a successful launch through, through not just reimbursement, but the regulatory approval, looking at the host of constraints that a development team has in in getting a product that's able to help patients, and typically would think about software life cycle processes, usability engineering and uh, and electrical safety, IC 60601. And those used to be sort of the big three in terms of standards and systems for making sure that we develop safe and effective medical devices. And I'm I'm going to say especially up up in this podcast that cyber cyber security and considerations of cyber security is added to that list of things that you should be thinking about from the beginning, making sure you make good design choices and and all that sort of thing. So that's another reason I was so happy to happy to be here and join you guys today.
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